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SMTP server (mail.pacbell.net) problem? - please help
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Adam
2015-08-28 16:59:09 UTC
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When sending emails, I am suddenly getting the following message ...

"The connection to the server has failed. Account:
'***@gmail.com - mail.pacbell.net - requires authentication',
Server: 'mail.pacbell.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E"

Did something change recently ?
Jeff Liebermann
2015-08-28 20:37:07 UTC
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When sending emails, I am suddenly getting the following message ...
Server: 'mail.pacbell.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E"
Did something change recently ?
Not recently. It changed about 2 years ago. To avoid flooding the
support phones, AT&T left the old mail.pachell.net server in place,
and is forcing the change one POP at a time. It's now your turn to
make the change.
<http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401570&cv=804>
<http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=33462&cv=820>
Incidentally, this would be a good time to switch to imap4 instead of
POP3.
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Adam
2015-08-29 01:28:42 UTC
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When sending emails, I am suddenly getting the following message ...
Server: 'mail.pacbell.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E"
Did something change recently ?
Not recently. It changed about 2 years ago. To avoid flooding the
support phones, AT&T left the old mail.pachell.net server in place,
and is forcing the change one POP at a time. It's now your turn to
make the change.
<http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401570&cv=804>
<http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=33462&cv=820>
Incidentally, this would be a good time to switch to imap4 instead of
POP3.
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I pay $50+ for DSL internet service and I can't even send email ?
Time to switch. #@#@^$&%
Jeff Liebermann
2015-08-29 02:31:48 UTC
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I pay $50+ for DSL internet service and I can't even send email ?
You're welcome.
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Adam
2015-08-29 03:11:46 UTC
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I pay $50+ for DSL internet service and I can't even send email ?
You're welcome.
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Thanks, but that wasn't meant for you.

Now, I am getting "553 From address not verified"...
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB412255&cv=812

But, I can't even "Log in to att.net and go to your email inbox."

Please make "mail.pacbell.net" available again.
Jeff Liebermann
2015-08-29 04:30:15 UTC
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I pay $50+ for DSL internet service and I can't even send email ?
You're welcome.
Thanks, but that wasn't meant for you.
Your message shows that it was in response to my comments. If not me,
then to whom are you complaining?
Post by Adam
Now, I am getting "553 From address not verified"...
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB412255&cv=812
Did you follow the instructions in the message? AT&T is security
conscious, which in this case means that you need to survive an ordeal
process that clearly identifies you as the owner of your email
address. Trust, but verify and all that. Please follow the
procedure.
Post by Adam
But, I can't even "Log in to att.net and go to your email inbox."
If you can't login to <http://att.yahoo.com> you might have a typo
problem, wrong user name (use your full email address), or wrong
password.
Post by Adam
Please make "mail.pacbell.net" available again.
You'll have to wait for the zombie apocalypse for the dead to rise
again.

I got calls today from two pacbell.net customers with exactly the same
problem. Both had a few really old machines using the old
mail.pacbell.net configurations. My guess(tm) is something changed at
Yahoo which broke the mail. I'm the admin for these accounts and I've
received nothing from AT&T or Yahoo about any recent or impending
changes. So, you may get your wish if Yahoo decides to undo whatever
they may have changed.
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Adam
2015-08-29 06:14:14 UTC
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I pay $50+ for DSL internet service and I can't even send email ?
You're welcome.
Thanks, but that wasn't meant for you.
Your message shows that it was in response to my comments. If not me,
then to whom are you complaining?
Post by Adam
Now, I am getting "553 From address not verified"...
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB412255&cv=812
Did you follow the instructions in the message? AT&T is security
conscious, which in this case means that you need to survive an ordeal
process that clearly identifies you as the owner of your email
address. Trust, but verify and all that. Please follow the
procedure.
Post by Adam
But, I can't even "Log in to att.net and go to your email inbox."
If you can't login to <http://att.yahoo.com> you might have a typo
problem, wrong user name (use your full email address), or wrong
password.
My DSL internet service started from PacBell (before Yahoo and AT&T).
I never went through Yahoo. So, why would Yahoo "suddenly" know about my
accounts?

"If it ain't broke, please don't fix it. Cuz, chances are you'll break it."
:-)


BTW, did you try clicking on that link to login?
It doesn't seem to take me to a login page.
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Post by Adam
Please make "mail.pacbell.net" available again.
You'll have to wait for the zombie apocalypse for the dead to rise
again.
I got calls today from two pacbell.net customers with exactly the same
problem. Both had a few really old machines using the old
mail.pacbell.net configurations. My guess(tm) is something changed at
Yahoo which broke the mail. I'm the admin for these accounts and I've
Again, it's kinda hard for a PacBell/non-Yahoo customer to login to Yahoo.
Something is missing here.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
received nothing from AT&T or Yahoo about any recent or impending
changes. So, you may get your wish if Yahoo decides to undo whatever
they may have changed.
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Peter Lawrence
2015-08-29 07:38:48 UTC
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My DSL internet service started from PacBell (before Yahoo and AT&T).
I never went through Yahoo. So, why would Yahoo "suddenly" know about my
accounts?
Because AT&T outsourced their mail service to Yahoo! Like it or not, it's
managed by Yahoo! now.


- Peter
David Kaye
2015-08-29 08:05:13 UTC
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My DSL internet service started from PacBell (before Yahoo and AT&T).
I never went through Yahoo. So, why would Yahoo "suddenly" know about my
accounts?
Not "suddenly" but for years. AT&T turned of its email service to Yahoo at
least a good 10 years ago. As a legacy act, AT&T kept the old pacbell.net
domain, and now I guess they decided to get rid of it. I'm not sure why
they even care, but they do.

People here will disagree with me, but I LIKE Yahoo's mail handling. Their
spam filtering is top-notch, their servers deliver mail promptly, their
vacation messages work flawlessly, they offer unlimited storage, they can be
used easily with IMAP and POP3, and they appear to be very secure -- I can't
recall any of my Yahoo accounts actually having been hacked -- spoofed, of
course, but not hacked.




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Jeff Liebermann
2015-08-29 14:29:45 UTC
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But, I can't even "Log in to att.net and go to your email inbox."
If you can't login to <http://att.yahoo.com> you might have a typo
problem, wrong user name (use your full email address), or wrong
password.
My DSL internet service started from PacBell (before Yahoo and AT&T).
I never went through Yahoo. So, why would Yahoo "suddenly" know about my
accounts?
Incidentally, all my pacbell.net addresses still work.

As others have mentioned, AT&T outsourced its email to Yahoo long ago.
It's quite transparent to the user, but if you follow the tangled path
through nslookup, it goes through all the local historical names
(pacbell.net, sbcglobal.net, pbi.net, prodigy.net, [1]). Yahoo has
been quite good at allowing users to maintain their old email
addresses and not forcing them to change to yahoo.com addresses.
Post by Adam
"If it ain't broke, please don't fix it. Cuz, chances are you'll break it."
:-)
Sorry, but progress stops only for politicians. If you really wanted
things to remain exactly the same, without change, you would probably
be using dialup, picking up your email at the post office, doing math
on an abacus, and reading news on a teletype machine instead of a
computah. Sorry, but changes required by progress are inevitable.
Resistance is futile, you will be upgraded. You'll need to fix your
email settings and maybe learn how to use the login page. The world
will not change for you.

14 years ago:
<http://pachell.com>
I'm glad those days are over. Perhaps you should resurrect the web
site and continue the campaign?
Post by Adam
BTW, did you try clicking on that link to login?
It doesn't seem to take me to a login page.
Of course I did. It logged me in automagically using my Yahoo account
with a saved password. I just logged out, and now is says "Sign In"
near the upper right hand corner of the page.

You can also login with a pacbell.net account at:
<http://mail.yahoo.com>
or
<http://login.yahoo.com>
Post by Adam
Again, it's kinda hard for a PacBell/non-Yahoo customer to login to Yahoo.
Something is missing here.
I'm not a paying Yahoo customer, although I do have a Yahoo email
account so that I can use the Yahoo Groups that they ruined last year.
I just logged into:
<http://att.yahoo.com>
with my ancient pacbell.net email address. Works as expected.


[1] ameritech.net, att.net, bellsouth.net, flash.net, nvbell.net,
pacbell.net, portal.att.net, prodigy.net, sbcglobal.net, snet.net,
swbell.net, wans.net
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tlvp
2015-09-05 06:10:49 UTC
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<http://pachell.com>
I'm glad those days are over.
Ah, but are they really? Here in former SNET/SBC/at&t-land, Frontier is
making quite a show of out-fumbling even Pac[BH]ell :-) :-{ .

E.g.: 750 Kbit/s "Basic" DSL shows DL speedtest figure of 140 Kbit/s, UL of
10Kbit/s (!) . Yes, it does beat DUN speeds ... but not by all that much.

Cheers, -- tlvp
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Keith Keller
2015-08-29 03:19:50 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Not recently. It changed about 2 years ago. To avoid flooding the
support phones, AT&T left the old mail.pachell.net server in place,
and is forcing the change one POP at a time. It's now your turn to
make the change.
<http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB401570&cv=804>
<http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=33462&cv=820>
Incidentally, this would be a good time to switch to imap4 instead of
POP3.
I pay $50+ for DSL internet service and I can't even send email ?
PEBKAC

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Rob Warnock
2015-08-29 03:11:20 UTC
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Adam <***@no_thanks.com> wrote:
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| When sending emails, I am suddenly getting the following message ...
| "The connection to the server has failed. Account:
| '***@gmail.com - mail.pacbell.net - requires authentication',
| Server: 'mail.pacbell.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
| Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E"
| Did something change recently ?
+---------------

In addition to what others have mentioned, something that *did*
change "recently" [this summer] is that many ISPs have begin
implementing mitigations for the "Logjam" vulnerability[1][2]
by disallowing Diffie-Hellman key exchange [used at the beginning
of SSL, SSH, etc.] with the old "U.S. export grade" DH prime
lengths [512 bits]. E.g., GMail just switched to using a ECDHE
[elliptic-curve DH], which apparently broke old versions of
Eudora. So this *might* be part of what's going on... [Might.]


-Rob

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logjam_(computer_security)

[2] https://weakdh.org/

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Adam
2015-08-29 03:41:17 UTC
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| When sending emails, I am suddenly getting the following message ...
| Server: 'mail.pacbell.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No,
| Socket Error: 10060, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E"
| Did something change recently ?
+---------------
In addition to what others have mentioned, something that *did*
change "recently" [this summer] is that many ISPs have begin
Something *did* change "recently" is right. I was able to
successfully send email just two (2) days ago. Now, I can't.
Post by Rob Warnock
implementing mitigations for the "Logjam" vulnerability[1][2]
by disallowing Diffie-Hellman key exchange [used at the beginning
of SSL, SSH, etc.] with the old "U.S. export grade" DH prime
lengths [512 bits]. E.g., GMail just switched to using a ECDHE
[elliptic-curve DH], which apparently broke old versions of
Eudora. So this *might* be part of what's going on... [Might.]
-Rob
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logjam_(computer_security)
[2] https://weakdh.org/
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