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poldy
2016-08-19 20:33:37 UTC
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No activity here for weeks, maybe months.

Maybe some Bay Area communities will get fiber.

Guess Google pulled out of rolling out fiber in SJ earlier this year,
not thinking about wireless using tech they acquired when they bought
some small company.
Julian Macassey
2016-08-19 20:59:15 UTC
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No activity here for weeks, maybe months.
There has been activity, in between the spam.
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Maybe some Bay Area communities will get fiber.
Guess Google pulled out of rolling out fiber in SJ earlier this year,
not thinking about wireless using tech they acquired when they bought
some small company.
The goggle monster has tried wireless before, with all
the usual problems.
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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
n***@sbcglobal.net
2016-08-20 20:21:38 UTC
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No activity here for weeks, maybe months.
Maybe some Bay Area communities will get fiber.
Guess Google pulled out of rolling out fiber in SJ earlier this year,
not thinking about wireless using tech they acquired when they bought
some small company.
Wave keeps bumping up their offering. A tech told me they will be offering 500 Mbps shortly (current top is 250 Mbps). It's like they are inching up to 1 Gbps which the system is probably capable of. They are still not on my street yet.
Roy
2016-08-21 05:26:44 UTC
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No activity here for weeks, maybe months.
Maybe some Bay Area communities will get fiber.
Guess Google pulled out of rolling out fiber in SJ earlier this
year, not thinking about wireless using tech they acquired when
they bought some small company.
Wave keeps bumping up their offering. A tech told me they will be
offering 500 Mbps shortly (current top is 250 Mbps). It's like they
are inching up to 1 Gbps which the system is probably capable of.
They are still not on my street yet.
From what I can tell, Wave uses "millimeter" waves for its
connectivity. "Millimeter" is usually defined as 20Ghz to 300Ghz.
There are license free bands at 24 and 60 Ghz.

The problems are that the range is short (less than a mile) for these
bands and there is rain fade. You need lots of antennas. Wave is
probably playing the old game of antennas on power or light poles.

Here is a company selling 60 Ghz radios for about $500 each

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/metrolinq/
b***@MIX.COM
2016-08-21 17:22:17 UTC
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The problems are that the range is short (less than a mile) for these
bands and there is rain fade.
20+ years ago I could easily know how heavily it was raining in New
England, from the (lack of..) performance on my connection to DEC.
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You need lots of antennas. Wave is probably playing the old game of
antennas on power or light poles.
In my neighorhood we still have the stuff from the last failed vendor
(whose name I now can't remember) on the power poles. As far as I can
tell it's still powered, too.

Billy Y..
Roy
2016-08-22 13:40:00 UTC
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In my neighorhood we still have the stuff from the last failed vendor
(whose name I now can't remember) on the power poles. As far as I can
tell it's still powered, too.
Billy Y..
I was going to mention them in my original post but couldn't remember
the name either but my memory finally dredged it up: "Ricochet"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(Internet_service)

n***@sbcglobal.net
2016-08-21 21:05:39 UTC
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No activity here for weeks, maybe months.
Maybe some Bay Area communities will get fiber.
Guess Google pulled out of rolling out fiber in SJ earlier this
year, not thinking about wireless using tech they acquired when
they bought some small company.
Wave keeps bumping up their offering. A tech told me they will be
offering 500 Mbps shortly (current top is 250 Mbps). It's like they
are inching up to 1 Gbps which the system is probably capable of.
They are still not on my street yet.
From what I can tell, Wave uses "millimeter" waves for its
connectivity. "Millimeter" is usually defined as 20Ghz to 300Ghz.
There are license free bands at 24 and 60 Ghz.
The problems are that the range is short (less than a mile) for these
bands and there is rain fade. You need lots of antennas. Wave is
probably playing the old game of antennas on power or light poles.
Here is a company selling 60 Ghz radios for about $500 each
http://www.ignitenet.com/products/metrolinq/
Their feeder cable is over on the next block which is a little strange that they didn't provision this neighborhood. They seem to be fiber to pole where they are provisioned. There were possibly a couple of Wave guys in the neighborhood last week ringing doorbells but they skipped me because I have a "No Solicitors" sign on my door. However that sign didn't stop an ATT rep.
Roy
2016-08-21 05:17:11 UTC
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No activity here for weeks, maybe months.
Maybe some Bay Area communities will get fiber.
Guess Google pulled out of rolling out fiber in SJ earlier this year,
not thinking about wireless using tech they acquired when they bought
some small company.
Google is waking up to the economic realities of fiber in areas where
all utilities are underground. That's why AT&T went to U-Verse with the
last mile being copper.

Newer communities have a preponderance of underground utilities and thus
fiber becomes financially impractical.
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