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How Are People Responding to dtecnet Anti-Piracy Notices?
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David Kaye
2011-08-10 20:01:40 UTC
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A customer (believe it or not, a police officer with 2 teenaged sons) got
slapped with a notice from "dtecnet", which apparently is snooping
BitTorrent and other torrent software. The notice is from Comcast and
doesn't say anything about taking any action, but gives an email address for
dtecnet, saying something like "if you have any issues" to contact them.

My client is worried, especially being a police officer and all. I
immediately told him to disconnect the lines going to his sons' rooms until
they get home and to turn off BitTorrent if it's running, but obviously he's
worried that there might be some kind of retribution, lawsuit or whatever.

I'm not sure if the kids actually downloaded anything or even if they're
using BitTorrent or whether a friend was over and used their connection or
what exactly.

Ideas anybody?
Mike Hunt
2011-08-10 21:28:45 UTC
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Post by David Kaye
A customer (believe it or not, a police officer with 2 teenaged sons) got
slapped with a notice from "dtecnet", which apparently is snooping
BitTorrent and other torrent software. The notice is from Comcast and
doesn't say anything about taking any action, but gives an email address for
dtecnet, saying something like "if you have any issues" to contact them.
My client is worried, especially being a police officer and all. I
immediately told him to disconnect the lines going to his sons' rooms until
they get home and to turn off BitTorrent if it's running, but obviously he's
worried that there might be some kind of retribution, lawsuit or whatever.
I'm not sure if the kids actually downloaded anything or even if they're
using BitTorrent or whether a friend was over and used their connection or
what exactly.
Ideas anybody?
If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Thad Floryan
2011-08-10 22:23:45 UTC
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If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?

Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.

Claims that bittorrent is "faster" than direct downloads is bullshit
since it may take days for a full torrrent to aggregate whereas I can
download 5GB in less than 30 minutes from "good" sites (e.g., Stanford,
Microsoft, Steam, etc.)
Roy
2011-08-10 22:33:01 UTC
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Post by Mike Hunt
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If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
I use BitTorrent all the time for downloading Linux DVDs. They are all
free to use and BitTorrent is one of the common techniques to download
the 4+GB DVD images.
Post by Thad Floryan
Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
Claims that bittorrent is "faster" than direct downloads is bullshit
since it may take days for a full torrrent to aggregate whereas I can
download 5GB in less than 30 minutes from "good" sites (e.g., Stanford,
Microsoft, Steam, etc.)
David Kaye
2011-08-10 22:44:38 UTC
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Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Oh, in theory there is. One of the torrent companies, I don't know if it's
BitTorrent or who exactly, apparently uses their service legitimately to
distribute extremely large files for companies with lots of computers to
tend to. I could see how this could be viable.

Do you know of anyone who has gotten one of those emails? If so, what have
they done? Have they responded? Were there follow-up emails? Threats?
Thad Floryan
2011-08-10 22:52:33 UTC
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Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Oh, in theory there is. One of the torrent companies, I don't know if it's
BitTorrent or who exactly, apparently uses their service legitimately to
distribute extremely large files for companies with lots of computers to
tend to. I could see how this could be viable.
Do you know of anyone who has gotten one of those emails? If so, what have
they done? Have they responded? Were there follow-up emails? Threats?
No, I do not use bittorrent due to some of its requirements as I read some
years ago (e.g., needing to open ports on my firewall) regarding not being
a "leech".

Anything I need to download is usually available as a "straight" DL and I
get 2.5MBytes/s from "good" sites so I have no use for bittorrent.
Jeff Liebermann
2011-08-11 16:01:20 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:44:38 -0700, "David Kaye"
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Post by Thad Floryan
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Oh, in theory there is. One of the torrent companies, I don't know if it's
BitTorrent or who exactly, apparently uses their service legitimately to
distribute extremely large files for companies with lots of computers to
tend to. I could see how this could be viable.
Now that you reminded me, I was involved in test about 2 years ago
with a local medical imaging office. The problem was getting all
their myriad of services, including VoIP, through their single
internet connection, while moving massive medical imaging files to
their backup servers. Several people were making heroic efforts with
QoS, but so much of the software did strange things, or used
unpredictable port numbers (i.e. H.323), that it was obvious that the
backups had to brought under control, rather than reserve bandwidth
for the ever growing list of critical applications. So, a BitTorrent
server was setup at multiple backup sites, and the clients were
running uTorrent with throttling enabled. It worked. There were some
tinkering with encryption, security, VPN, and logging, which is where
I got involved. I suspect it's still in use today, but haven't been
back for a while.
Post by David Kaye
Do you know of anyone who has gotten one of those emails? If so, what have
they done? Have they responded? Were there follow-up emails? Threats?
One of my customers got one of those messages about a year ago.
Nothing happened. Their wi-fi was wide open at the time, and they
hired me to nail down their security. I wish Comcast would send out
more letters as it seems to be good for my business.
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David Kaye
2011-08-11 19:28:45 UTC
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hired me to nail down their security. I wish Comcast would send out
more letters as it seems to be good for my business.
Din't hurt me none...
Jeff Liebermann
2011-08-11 15:51:10 UTC
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Post by Mike Hunt
[...]
If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Distribution of large size content, that would saturate a single
server. By distributing the load, there's no bottleneck. Admittedly,
it does take longer to download via BitTorrent, but it's far more
reliable. Unless the server is running some form of restartable FTP,
if the connection is lost during the download, you get to start over
from scratch. With BitTorrent, it just slows down, finds another user
that has the missing blocks, and continues normally. When Ubuntu
11.04 arrived, I didn't try to download everything directly. I fired
up uTorrent, started the download(s), and left for the office. When I
returned home, it was done.
Post by Thad Floryan
Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
RAR files are just a method of compression and are rarely used for the
type of content that gets Sony's attention. If you want to look for
piracy, look for movies that have been re-encoded in Matroska, DivX,
or other format:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska>
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Thad Floryan
2011-08-12 00:38:12 UTC
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Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
RAR files are just a method of compression and are rarely used for the
type of content that gets Sony's attention.
I've been boycotting SONY since the 1990s for their crap quality, so that
doesn't bother me. What I do see, thanks to Google, are books in *.RAR
and bittorrrent the day they street. All kinds of books: novels, tech,
even O'Reilly books. And Google indexes them for easy retrieval. For
example. the O'Reilly "asterisk, 3rd edition" was available for download
as a multi-part RAR'd PDF and also as a single PDF even *before* the book's
street date earlier this year; these PDFs are what goes to the printer --
the paper cutting patterns, etc. are part of each page.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
If you want to look for piracy, look for movies that have been re-encoded
in Matroska, DivX, or other format: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska>
I buy my movies legally.
Bhairitu
2011-08-11 19:43:05 UTC
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Post by Mike Hunt
[...]
If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
Claims that bittorrent is "faster" than direct downloads is bullshit
since it may take days for a full torrrent to aggregate whereas I can
download 5GB in less than 30 minutes from "good" sites (e.g., Stanford,
Microsoft, Steam, etc.)
Michael Moore released a movie as a torrent in 2008 (might have been
2006) with the Weinstein's blessing. It was a little documentary he had
put together to get young folks to vote.
Roy
2011-08-12 00:02:44 UTC
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Post by Mike Hunt
[...]
If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
Claims that bittorrent is "faster" than direct downloads is bullshit
since it may take days for a full torrrent to aggregate whereas I can
download 5GB in less than 30 minutes from "good" sites (e.g., Stanford,
Microsoft, Steam, etc.)
Michael Moore released a movie as a torrent in 2008 (might have been
2006) with the Weinstein's blessing. It was a little documentary he had
put together to get young folks to vote.
The adavantage to Torrent is that when you publish via Torrent, you save
bandwidth. Instead of 10,000 people downloading a copy each (10,000
copies) from the main server, each person who gets a copy then
contributes bandwidth to other users.

When the CentOS6 DVDs came out, I downloaded both the 32 bit and 62 bit
copies. My system was running a full speed in BOTH directions
simultaneously. I was doing 10 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.
David Kaye
2011-08-12 00:24:43 UTC
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The adavantage to Torrent is that when you publish via Torrent, you save
bandwidth. Instead of 10,000 people downloading a copy each (10,000
copies) from the main server, each person who gets a copy then contributes
bandwidth to other users.
In that respect it's not a whole lot different than the distributed
computing for the SETI project. Thousands (millions?) of people have
programs running on their computers during idle time analyzing downloads
radio signals for hints of life in space. I have a friend who has been
doing SETI for at least 10 years. No sign of life yet...

Yeah, it's a different protocol and all that, but the idea of distributed
computing is one of the great ones. Just think of all that processing
ability and bandwidth that otherwise goes to waste.
Thad Floryan
2011-08-12 00:59:03 UTC
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The adavantage to Torrent is that when you publish via Torrent, you save
bandwidth. Instead of 10,000 people downloading a copy each (10,000
copies) from the main server, each person who gets a copy then contributes
bandwidth to other users.
In that respect it's not a whole lot different than the distributed
computing for the SETI project. Thousands (millions?) of people have
programs running on their computers during idle time analyzing downloads
radio signals for hints of life in space. I have a friend who has been
doing SETI for at least 10 years. No sign of life yet...
Yeah, it's a different protocol and all that, but the idea of distributed
computing is one of the great ones. Just think of all that processing
ability and bandwidth that otherwise goes to waste.
No, think of all that electrical and disk drive longevity going to waste
because people keep their systems powered-up to run such "@home" activities.

SETI has been a farce ever since Frank Drake and his bogus equation circa
early 1960s. There are so many flawed assumptions with all SETI programs it
simply does NOT qualify as science by any metric.

I enjoyed reading the book and the watching the movie "CONTACT" because I've
been a SciFi fan since the early 1950s.
John Higdon
2011-08-12 01:14:07 UTC
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No, think of all that electrical and disk drive longevity going to waste
After running a news server @home for nearly twenty-five years, I must
confess the thrill is gone.
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I enjoyed reading the book and the watching the movie "CONTACT" because I've
been a SciFi fan since the early 1950s.
Likewise...and I did really enjoy the movie.
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Thad Floryan
2011-08-13 10:31:12 UTC
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No, think of all that electrical and disk drive longevity going to waste
confess the thrill is gone.
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I enjoyed reading the book and the watching the movie "CONTACT" because I've
been a SciFi fan since the early 1950s.
Likewise...and I did really enjoy the movie.
Cool! It's one of the few movies I've watched and enjoyed multiple times. One
of the others is "Fifth Element" -- I believe I watched that one every night for
7 days straight when the Laserdisc and DVD were released. :-)
Thad Floryan
2011-08-20 05:12:06 UTC
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I enjoyed reading the book and the watching the movie "CONTACT" because I've
been a SciFi fan since the early 1950s.
Likewise...and I did really enjoy the movie.
Here's something interesting about ET and why to avoid the LGM:

" In a study carried out by NASA and Pennsylvania State
" University scientists, several intelligent extraterrestrial encounter
" scenarios are examined. One of the scenarios is a sci-fi favorite: what
" if we encounter an alien race hellbent on destroying us? However, there's
" a twist. This isn't mindless thuggery on behalf of the aliens, and
" they're not killing us to get at our natural resources; they have a
" cause. They want to exterminate us for the greater good of the Milky Way.

Discovery article:
<http://news.discovery.com/space/save-the-galaxy-destroy-humanity-110818.html>

NASA/Penn State study:
Abstract: <http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.4462>
PDF paper: <http://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.4462v2> 33 pages, 366KB

Bend over and grab your ankles, ET's coming to probe. :-)
David Kaye
2011-08-12 02:20:41 UTC
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Post by Thad Floryan
No, think of all that electrical and disk drive longevity going to waste
I always tell my customers to turn off their computers when they're not
using them. I get the point across by saying, "You turn off your TV when
you're not watching it, don't you?" But there are always those people who
leave their computers on, so they may as well do something useful with them
besides heating the room.
Post by Thad Floryan
SETI has been a farce ever since Frank Drake and his bogus equation circa
early 1960s. There are so many flawed assumptions with all SETI programs it
simply does NOT qualify as science by any metric.
I think the SETI thing is dumb because it's awfully presumptious of humans
to think that people in other worlds are going to communicate in the same
way we do. Even though I have friends in Long Now, I'm not convinced that
that project is anything more than human egoism, as well.
Post by Thad Floryan
I enjoyed reading the book and the watching the movie "CONTACT" because I've
been a SciFi fan since the early 1950s.
I hate sci-fi and fantasy with a few notable exceptions: The Prisoner, Back
to the Future, One Step Beyond, Twilight Zone, and anything written by
Harlan Ellison. An ex-girlfriend got me into him...

I play board games a couple times a week and I will not play sci-fi themed
games. Change the theme to the Old West and I'm there.
Thad Floryan
2011-08-12 00:51:27 UTC
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Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
Claims that bittorrent is "faster" than direct downloads is bullshit
since it may take days for a full torrrent to aggregate whereas I can
download 5GB in less than 30 minutes from "good" sites (e.g., Stanford,
Microsoft, Steam, etc.)
Michael Moore released a movie as a torrent in 2008 (might have been
2006) with the Weinstein's blessing. It was a little documentary he had
put together to get young folks to vote.
The adavantage to Torrent is that when you publish via Torrent, you save
bandwidth. Instead of 10,000 people downloading a copy each (10,000
copies) from the main server, each person who gets a copy then
contributes bandwidth to other users.
When the CentOS6 DVDs came out, I downloaded both the 32 bit and 62 bit
copies. My system was running a full speed in BOTH directions
simultaneously. I was doing 10 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.
Shrug. When I direct-download DVD ISOs I get them at 2.5MBytes/second. These
are OS ISOs, not movies.
Thad Floryan
2011-08-12 00:47:45 UTC
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Post by Mike Hunt
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If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
Claims that bittorrent is "faster" than direct downloads is bullshit
since it may take days for a full torrrent to aggregate whereas I can
download 5GB in less than 30 minutes from "good" sites (e.g., Stanford,
Microsoft, Steam, etc.)
Michael Moore released a movie as a torrent in 2008 (might have been
2006) with the Weinstein's blessing. It was a little documentary he had
put together to get young folks to vote.
And they did vote.

How is that "Change" working for you?

I see the USA heading towards 3rd-world status and the 21st Century
belonging to China.
Kevin McMurtrie
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Post by Mike Hunt
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If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Everything I've heard, read or seen about it implies piracy along with
*.RAR files.
Claims that bittorrent is "faster" than direct downloads is bullshit
since it may take days for a full torrrent to aggregate whereas I can
download 5GB in less than 30 minutes from "good" sites (e.g., Stanford,
Microsoft, Steam, etc.)
Not all music and videos cost money, and those are exactly the kinds of
media that can't afford to go on a central server. Many artists would
find YouTube's hosting offensive.

BTW, those fast sites that you speak of are actually local edge caches
provided by a 3rd party.
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Thad Floryan
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Not all music and videos cost money, and those are exactly the kinds of
media that can't afford to go on a central server. Many artists would
find YouTube's hosting offensive.
Really? That's news to me.
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BTW, those fast sites that you speak of are actually local edge caches
provided by a 3rd party.
Akamai?

Including Microsoft in Washington? And the US Air Force at Wright-Patterson
AFB (re: LPS-Linux)? That seems extremely odd that such relatively obscure
material that I download would be cached anywhere in the Bay Area. I get the
same 2.5 Mbytes/Sec from my own server in Milpitas; who'd be caching my stuff?
FYI, the 2.5Mytes/S is the service limit on my home Comcast account.

For the curious, LPS is a nice "Live CD" distro which contains OpenOffice and
other goodies the CD; here's a screenshot of its desktop:

<Loading Image...>

and more information about it:

<http://spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm>
<http://spi.dod.mil/docs/LPS_DS.pdf>
<http://spi.dod.mil/docs/lps_quick_start.pdf>
<http://spi.dod.mil/docs/lpsmanual.pdf>

Note LPS is a "Live CD" *ONLY* and an install cannot per performed from
its "Live CD".
j r pierce
2011-08-29 22:53:24 UTC
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Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
many.

WoW (World of Warcraft) uses Torrent protocol internally to distribute
the massive updates.

as someone already said, a number of major linux distributions use
torrent to distribute the massive DVDs, which often have 10000s of
downloads the first few days of a new release, this would totally
overload any sort of server connection such as ftp/http and require
massive infrastructure to support, via torrent, its a distributed
workload and everyone shares the files.
Thad Floryan
2011-08-29 23:45:55 UTC
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Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
many.
WoW (World of Warcraft) uses Torrent protocol internally to distribute
the massive updates.
Interesting. I get a number of massive updates from Steam but each
appears to be a direct download (and very fast at that). Even when
5 or more products are being updated simultaneously my download BW
is split and each is still a direct download as best I can determine.
Post by j r pierce
as someone already said, a number of major linux distributions use
torrent to distribute the massive DVDs, which often have 10000s of
downloads the first few days of a new release, this would totally
overload any sort of server connection such as ftp/http and require
massive infrastructure to support, via torrent, its a distributed
workload and everyone shares the files.
OK. :-) I always wait several weeks to let the smoke clear because
"new" releases always seem to have massive "issues". Two weeks after
a release date I can download an OS DVD in about 15 to 20 minutes by
direct download in the middle of the afternoon. I was doing that a
lot back in 2009 for the Win7 Beta and Release Candidates.

Perhaps things have changed since I last "tested" torrents several
years ago. Back then ports needed to be opened (which I didn't like
to do) and there was the issue of reciprocity otherwise one would be
termed a "leech" and be cut off from further torrrenting.

I do most of my [large] downloads in the wee hours (at least for the
USA) via scripted wgets so everything is ready for me the "next day"
which is still considerably quicker (by many days) than the torrent
tests I ran previously.
j r pierce
2011-08-30 22:39:21 UTC
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Perhaps things have changed since I last "tested" torrents several
years ago. Back then ports needed to be opened (which I didn't like
to do) and there was the issue of reciprocity otherwise one would be
termed a "leech" and be cut off from further torrrenting.
one port ideally should be opened/forwarded to your client, it can be
literally any port as long as you configure your torrent port to use
the same port. if the port is not open, things often run slower
(between any two peers, at least one needs an open port so the other
can initiate the socket).

Only some of the hacker/pirate torrent trackers will cut you off,
these are generally ones that require registration anyways, since I'm
not doing any of those things, I'm not concerned with this. As far
as seeding at least as much much as you downloaded, thats called 'fair
play'. if everyone is selfish and doesn't share the workload, the
system doesn't work real well.
Post by Thad Floryan
I do most of my [large] downloads in the wee hours (at least for the
USA) via scripted wgets so everything is ready for me the "next day"
which is still considerably quicker (by many days) than the torrent
tests I ran previously.
I consistently get my full wire speed (about 7Mbit/sec) on reasonably
well seeded torrents of large files.

For a volunteer run project like CentOS which gets downloaded 100s of
1000s of times monthly, I think its extremely unfair for the project
to get saddled with the transit bills for 100s of 1000s of copies of
the same 4GB ISO file being fetched monthly. This isn't a business
that can afford to get on the Akamai train. Go ahead, price web
hosting with 400 terabytes/month traffic.
Thad Floryan
2011-08-30 23:08:25 UTC
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I do most of my [large] downloads in the wee hours (at least for the
USA) via scripted wgets so everything is ready for me the "next day"
which is still considerably quicker (by many days) than the torrent
tests I ran previously.
I consistently get my full wire speed (about 7Mbit/sec) on reasonably
well seeded torrents of large files.
Interesting. That wasn't my experience previously.
Post by j r pierce
For a volunteer run project like CentOS which gets downloaded 100s of
1000s of times monthly, I think its extremely unfair for the project
to get saddled with the transit bills for 100s of 1000s of copies of
the same 4GB ISO file being fetched monthly. This isn't a business
that can afford to get on the Akamai train. Go ahead, price web
hosting with 400 terabytes/month traffic.
Excellent point, but CentOS has a *LOT* of mirror sites for direct
downloads; here's theirs for just the USA updated today:

<http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=30>

with "111 of 131 regional mirrors are current (updated within the
last 24 hours). 369 of 433 world wide mirrors are current."

Torrents are not even listed on the CentOS site that I could find;
how do you torrent a CentOS DVD? I'd like to try it.
j r pierce
2011-08-30 23:14:48 UTC
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Excellent point, but CentOS has a *LOT* of mirror sites for direct
<http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=30>
with "111 of 131 regional mirrors are current (updated within the
last 24 hours). 369 of 433 world wide mirrors are current."
and only some of those have the DVD ISO files.
Post by Thad Floryan
Torrents are not even listed on the CentOS site that I could find;
how do you torrent a CentOS DVD? I'd like to try it.
http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/centos/6/isos/x86_64/CentOS-6.0-x86_64-bin-DVD.torrent
or
http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/centos/6/isos/i386/CentOS-6.0-i386-bin-DVD.torrent

(64 or 32 bit)

load one of those files into the torrent client of choice
Thad Floryan
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Torrents are not even listed on the CentOS site that I could find;
how do you torrent a CentOS DVD? I'd like to try it.
http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/centos/6/isos/x86_64/CentOS-6.0-x86_64-bin-DVD.torrent
or
http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/centos/6/isos/i386/CentOS-6.0-i386-bin-DVD.torrent
(64 or 32 bit)
load one of those files into the torrent client of choice
Thank you!

Just curious: how/where did you find that CentOS torrent info?
I haven't "played" with CentOS since 2008 when a bugzilla I filed
with them then is still outstanding as of today:

<http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=3123>
Roy
2011-08-31 00:08:41 UTC
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Torrents are not even listed on the CentOS site that I could find;
how do you torrent a CentOS DVD? I'd like to try it.
http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/centos/6/isos/x86_64/CentOS-6.0-x86_64-bin-DVD.torrent
or
http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/centos/6/isos/i386/CentOS-6.0-i386-bin-DVD.torrent
(64 or 32 bit)
load one of those files into the torrent client of choice
Thank you!
Just curious: how/where did you find that CentOS torrent info?
I haven't "played" with CentOS since 2008 when a bugzilla I filed
<http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=3123>
This is the correct download page

https://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=13

Pick a mirror and click on HTTP

The sites have torrents for the DVD. Some have the DVD as a straight
download.

The CDs are usually straight downloads.

Current CentOS version is 6.0
SMS
2011-10-27 20:53:27 UTC
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If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Yes. Downloading stuff like Linux releases. It's much faster than doing
a simple download.
Thad Floryan
2011-10-27 22:18:01 UTC
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If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Yes. Downloading stuff like Linux releases. It's much faster than doing
a simple download.
Perhaps for you but not for me. I direct download complete CD ISOs in
just a few minutes and DVD ISOs (e.g., Win7) in about 15 minutes using
Comcast. I see NO benefit (and lots of downside) to using torrents.
Roy
2011-10-27 23:34:32 UTC
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[...]
If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Yes. Downloading stuff like Linux releases. It's much faster than doing
a simple download.
Perhaps for you but not for me. I direct download complete CD ISOs in
just a few minutes and DVD ISOs (e.g., Win7) in about 15 minutes using
Comcast. I see NO benefit (and lots of downside) to using torrents.
You realize that you guys are responding to a thread over two months old?
Thad Floryan
2011-10-28 01:07:13 UTC
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[...]
If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
Just curious: is there *ANY* legal or legitimate use of bittorrent?
Yes. Downloading stuff like Linux releases. It's much faster than doing
a simple download.
Perhaps for you but not for me. I direct download complete CD ISOs in
just a few minutes and DVD ISOs (e.g., Win7) in about 15 minutes using
Comcast. I see NO benefit (and lots of downside) to using torrents.
You realize that you guys are responding to a thread over two months old?
Yep. I have no idea what's SMS' problem dredging posts from the past.
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2011-10-28 06:13:06 UTC
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Yep. I have no idea what's SMS' problem dredging posts from the past.
I know he does that with "HD Radio" crap all the time. I presume it is
done to stir up the pot.
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David Kaye
2011-10-28 10:34:44 UTC
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You realize that you guys are responding to a thread over two months old?
Nostalgia...
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2011-10-28 10:34:18 UTC
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Yes. Downloading stuff like Linux releases. It's much faster than doing a
simple download.
How so? I take Linux releases from time to time and I get them in about
15-20 minutes depending on how late at night I do it. Given that a torrent
is pulling from many sources but it's all going through one pipeline to get
to you, I don't see how there's much saving of time.
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Yes. Downloading stuff like Linux releases. It's much faster than doing a
simple download.
How so? <snip> Given that a torrent
is pulling from many sources but it's all going through one pipeline to get
to you, I don't see how there's much saving of time.
Flow control acts independently on each TCP connection. When there are
multiple independent connections in the pipe to your endpoint then the
capacity of that pipe tends to become the limiting factor on throughput.
Just love the pipe analogy. Just love Bittorrent because it's such an
effective exploit of a TCP/IP design weakness.
--
Jack Myers / Westminster, California, USA

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
David Kaye
2011-08-10 22:42:03 UTC
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If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
My question is not whether the teens were torrenting or not, but whether
people here have seen these warning emails and what, if anything, they've
been doing about it. I want to be able to report back to my customer a plan
of action. Remember, he's a cop, so he can't afford to do something that's
going to get him into trouble and jeopardize his job. On the other hand,
with a family and mortgage he's not in a position to pay high fines, either.

Has anybody here seen the emails? How have people responded? Were there
any follow-up notices from the company?
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I got one DMCA notice in October, shortly after moving. In February
there was another email alerting me that a bot might be on a machine
in my network and asked me to scan for viri.

Wifi must have been left unsecured after trying to set up in a hurry.

Nothing's happend since replacing the DLink with a Netgear. No more
emails, no one knocking at the door.


On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:42:03 -0700, "David Kaye"
Post by David Kaye
Post by Mike Hunt
If they are teenaged sons as you report, I suspect they are/were
downloading stuff using bittorrent and time will tell if they get into
legal trouble or not.
My question is not whether the teens were torrenting or not, but whether
people here have seen these warning emails and what, if anything, they've
been doing about it. I want to be able to report back to my customer a plan
of action. Remember, he's a cop, so he can't afford to do something that's
going to get him into trouble and jeopardize his job. On the other hand,
with a family and mortgage he's not in a position to pay high fines, either.
Has anybody here seen the emails? How have people responded? Were there
any follow-up notices from the company?
David Kaye
2011-08-11 04:06:43 UTC
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Nothing's happend since replacing the DLink with a Netgear. No more
emails, no one knocking at the door.
Well, that's encouraging. I'll tell my customer. He's been very worried,
especially since he's within a year of retiring from the force and doesn't
want to lose his pension or anything.
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2011-08-11 04:33:31 UTC
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I want to be able to report back to my customer a plan
of action. Remember, he's a cop, so he can't afford to do something that's
going to get him into trouble and jeopardize his job.
If he has a password on the router, he needs to make a list of everyone
who has ever used the router (e.g. friends of his sons who have used the
router when visiting). If he doesn't have a password on the router
(hopefully!), he needs to DOCUMENT this. This is his "reasonable doubt"
that whatever was done was done by someone outside his home, outside his
family, outside his control, and not his responsibility.

He also needs to have a talk with his boys. If they have ever
downloaded anything thru bittorrent, they need to come clean, immediately.

As for the notice, what does it say? EXACT wording please.

jc
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2011-08-11 08:46:36 UTC
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As for the notice, what does it say? EXACT wording please.
I don't have it. He read it to me on the phone. Maybe I can get him to
email it to me.
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As for the notice, what does it say? EXACT wording please.
I don't have it. He read it to me on the phone. Maybe I can get him to
email it to me.
It's probably something like this:
<http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24527937-Digital-Copyright-Act>
It's a standard form, that Comcast just passes along in compliance
with the DMCA act. If there's been any enforcements, I haven't seen
any. Google for "Comcast DMCA notice". They're quite common.

More:
<http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-mpaa-copyright-warnings-facts-and-fiction-090328/>
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Roy
2011-08-11 17:57:44 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 01:46:36 -0700, "David Kaye"
Post by David Kaye
Post by jcdill
As for the notice, what does it say? EXACT wording please.
I don't have it. He read it to me on the phone. Maybe I can get him to
email it to me.
<http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24527937-Digital-Copyright-Act>
It's a standard form, that Comcast just passes along in compliance
with the DMCA act. If there's been any enforcements, I haven't seen
any. Google for "Comcast DMCA notice". They're quite common.
<http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-mpaa-copyright-warnings-facts-and-fiction-090328/>
Hopefully its a DMCA warning. That's the good news. Remove the
material and you are done.

It could be bad news. Comcast could have turned over your subscriber
information to a third party. This could mean criminal or civil
proceedings.

Its probably not criminal. Criminal is usually accompanied by a search
warrant and obviously that didn't happen.

It's probably one of the copyright trolls. The guy will probably get an
offer to "settle" his case from one of the trolls.

See article from earlier this week

https://www.pcworld.com/article/237593/copyright_trolls_200000_bittorrent_users_sued_since_2010.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/3gpwal2
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<http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24527937-Digital-Copyright-Act>
Yeah, that sounds exactly like it. The cryptic phrase the guy read to me
was, "If you have some issues please reply to ***@dtecnet.co" (a
"co" extension?) I mean, "if you have some issues?" What's that supposed to
mean?

Oh, by the way, the current SF Weekly has a huge article on the enforcement
techniques and attempts to bleed people dry. According to the article,
there have been 92,000 cases filed against "John Does" but not a single one
has gone to trial. They've all settled out of court apparently, or maybe
some have been dropped.

The URL: http://www.sfweekly.com/ The story is "Invasion of Piracy"
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I need password for 998.95 zip folder

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2011-08-12 12:29:19 UTC
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but obviously he's
worried that there might be some kind of retribution, lawsuit or whatever.
Often I see in conversations something along the line of "they cant catch
you" or "nothing ever gets done about it" to try and convince others to do
things. I always try to push the point that any such statement, even IF it
is true, should always be qualified by adding a "YET" onto the end of it. I
have seen many "yet"s become fact.

Gandalf Parker
b***@gmail.com
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A customer (believe it or not, a police officer with 2 teenaged sons) got
slapped with a notice from "dtecnet", which apparently is snooping
BitTorrent and other torrent software. The notice is from Comcast and
doesn't say anything about taking any action, but gives an email address for
dtecnet, saying something like "if you have any issues" to contact them.
My client is worried, especially being a police officer and all. I
immediately told him to disconnect the lines going to his sons' rooms until
they get home and to turn off BitTorrent if it's running, but obviously he's
worried that there might be some kind of retribution, lawsuit or whatever.
I'm not sure if the kids actually downloaded anything or even if they're
using BitTorrent or whether a friend was over and used their connection or
what exactly.
Ideas anybody?
Below is the letter I received this morning. I removed my name and address and ip address. Any Ideas on this. I am not sure if this happened because I just put Comcast security on my computer or if I downloaded something from a certain place that is turning people in. I did download this. I was downloading a trailer. I thought it was a trailer. The notice doesn't say anything about what to do next. I have downloaded a few things but it has been from a online place that you have to pay for membership so I didn't think it was illegible.


CENTER FOR COPYRIGHT INFORMATION

Alert #1: Potentially Improper Use of Copyrighted Material

Incident Number: 362625
Report Date/Time: Tuesday, 08-Oct-2013, 04:05:24 AM EST



FORT MYERS FL 33907 7503
Dear Internet Subscriber:

A copyright owner has sent Comcast a notice claiming your Internet service from Comcast was used to copy or share copyrighted content like a movie, television program or song improperly. The content owner who sent us the notice has determined that Comcast is your Internet service provider and provided us with the information summarized below. Comcast used this information to identify your Internet account as the one referenced in the copyright owner’s notice. We also used this information to display the in-browser notification you may have seen on your computer and to send you this e-mail. You can view the notice Comcast received by going to Users and Preferences in MyAccount at http://customer.comcast.com/ and logging in with your primary account holder credentials. Comcast has not provided your name and address or other identifying information to the copyright owner as part of this notice and alert process.

Major Internet Service Providers, record labels and movie and TV studios have joined the non-profit Center for Copyright Information at www.copyrightinformation.org to let consumers like you know when copyrighted content might have been improperly copied or shared. The goal of this effort is to help educate consumers about the proper use of copyrighted content and provide assistance in identifying possible sources or causes of any activity that led to this Copyright Alert. Comcast encourages you to find and enjoy content online from the many legitimate sources available. For a better way to find Movies, TV, and Music please visit http://www.copyrightinformation.org/a-better-way-to-find-movies-tv-music. To learn more about these Alerts from Comcast, please visit http://www.comcast.com/copyrightalerts.

For more information please review Comcast’s Acceptable Use Policy and Terms of Service.

Sincerely,

Comcast Customer Security Assurance

Copyrighted work(s) identified in the notification from the Center for Copyright Information:
Infringing Work:GROWN UPS 2
Filename:Grown Ups 2 2013 TS XVID AC3 BHRG
Infringement Date:Tue Oct 08 04:05:24 EST 2013
Infringement Type:null
Infringement Method:BITTORRENT
IP Address:.98
Reporting Party:***@dtecnet.com
Reporting Party Case ID:22280930598
Reporting Party FAQ:null
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[...]
Below is the letter I received this morning. I removed my name and
address and ip address. Any Ideas on this. I am not sure if this
happened because I just put Comcast security on my computer or if I
downloaded something from a certain place that is turning people in.
I did download this.
You just publicly admitted your guilt. :-)
Post by b***@gmail.com
I was downloading a trailer. I thought it was a trailer.
The trailer for that movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2191701/ is here:

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi48539161 trailer runtime 2:19

which can be easily downloaded using "Download Helper" in Firefox.

Movie trailers are typically 1 to 3 minutes long. I just now downloaded
that trailer and it only took a few seconds for the 17MB file over my
Comcast connection 10 minutes ago:

REGULUS bash 3302/3304> ll MV*
-rwx------+ 1 thad staff 17855422 Oct 11 19:29 MV5BOTI1NzI0NTE3OF5BMTFeQW1wNF5BbWU3MDc3NjU0Mzk_.mp4
Post by b***@gmail.com
The notice doesn't say anything about what to do next.
I suppose you could wait for the police to come to your door, but ...
Post by b***@gmail.com
I have downloaded a few things but it has been from a online
place that you have to pay for membership so I didn't think
it was illegible (sic, should be "illegal")>
Hmmm. I am *NOT* a lawyer but it seems you have actionable reason
to sue that "online place" for turning you in -- who else could
have snitched on you?
Post by b***@gmail.com
[...]
Infringing Work:GROWN UPS 2
Filename:Grown Ups 2 2013 TS XVID AC3 BHRG
Infringement Date:Tue Oct 08 04:05:24 EST 2013
Infringement Type:null
Infringement Method:BITTORRENT
IP Address:.98
Reporting Party Case ID:22280930598
Reporting Party FAQ:null
The "Infringement Type:null" indicates they don't know what you did.

They're probably simply going after anyone using BITTORRENT because
they can.

You do not need a torrent to download a movie trailer. It would appear
you actually downloaded the movie.

How large is the file you downloaded? Trailer is onlu 17MB.

Thad
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