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Yahoo: High jinks, plenty of mordant humor and a trail of tears
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Thad Floryan
2014-04-15 03:41:07 UTC
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The following URL is from an article that just appeared in
comp.dcom.telecom a few minutes ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/business/media/yahoo-rolls-the-dice-on-tv.html?_r=0
"
" Yahoo, a company that seems like a permanent adolescent in search
" of an identity, is about to try a new persona: high-quality
" television programmer.
"
" According to The Wall Street Journal, the company's chief
" executive, Marissa Mayer, is "looking for series that are ready
" to launch and don’t require a lot of development."
"
" Well, aren't we all?
"
" At a time when the culture is addicted to high-end television
" narratives, Yahoo wants in on the action, partly because while
" its site may have (flat) traffic -- 700 million global visits a
" month -- and (declining) revenue, it has zero cachet and no
" discernible way forward.
"
" [...]

Article continues at the above URL.

Yahoo should just toss in the towel and go belly-up.

Thad
David Kaye
2014-04-15 08:04:07 UTC
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Someone wrote...
Post by Thad Floryan
" At a time when the culture is addicted to high-end television
" narratives, Yahoo wants in on the action, partly because while
" its site may have (flat) traffic -- 700 million global visits a
" month -- and (declining) revenue, it has zero cachet and no
" discernible way forward.
" [...]
Yahoo is finally leveraging its excellent sports and business coverage with
broadcasters. Yahoo even has a program on the arch enemy, Comcast Sports
Network. And I hear Yahoo Business quoted all over the place, including
Bloomberg.

So, I disagree that Yahoo has nothing.
sms
2014-04-15 19:15:09 UTC
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Someone wrote...
Post by Thad Floryan
" At a time when the culture is addicted to high-end television
" narratives, Yahoo wants in on the action, partly because while
" its site may have (flat) traffic -- 700 million global visits a
" month -- and (declining) revenue, it has zero cachet and no
" discernible way forward.
" [...]
Yahoo is finally leveraging its excellent sports and business coverage with
broadcasters. Yahoo even has a program on the arch enemy, Comcast Sports
Network. And I hear Yahoo Business quoted all over the place, including
Bloomberg.
So, I disagree that Yahoo has nothing.
Yahoo needs to appoint Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld to their board of
directors in order to compete with Dropbox.
Thad Floryan
2014-04-17 06:14:02 UTC
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Post by David Kaye
Someone wrote...
Post by Thad Floryan
" At a time when the culture is addicted to high-end television
" narratives, Yahoo wants in on the action, partly because while
" its site may have (flat) traffic -- 700 million global visits a
" month -- and (declining) revenue, it has zero cachet and no
" discernible way forward.
" [...]
Yahoo is finally leveraging its excellent sports and business coverage with
broadcasters. Yahoo even has a program on the arch enemy, Comcast Sports
Network. And I hear Yahoo Business quoted all over the place, including
Bloomberg.
So, I disagree that Yahoo has nothing.
Depends how one looks at it. Per this article:

http://www.sfgate.com/business/technology/article/Fired-Yahoo-exec-gets-58M-for-15-months-of-work-5408312.php

we see the following:

" [...]
" De Castro's severance package wouldn't have been worth nearly as
" much if Yahoo's stock hadn't more than doubled during de Castro's
" brief tenure with the company.
"
" But those gains had little to do with the managerial acumen of de
" Castro, Mayer or any other Yahoo executives. Analysts trace almost
" all the increase in Yahoo's stock price to the company's 24 percent
" stake in China's Alibaba Group, which is running some of the world's
" fastest-growing and most-profitable e-commerce sites. Alibaba is
" planning to go public on the New York Stock Exchange and when that
" happens, Yahoo will be able to reap a multibillion dollar windfall
" from its holdings in the company.
"
" Yahoo's own business remains in a funk. The Sunnyvale, California
" company's revenue, minus ad commissions, dipped 1 percent last
" year. Advertising sales showed some signs of modest improvement
" during the first three months of this year, but Yahoo is still
" lagging the overall growth of Internet marketing.


Face it, Yahoo is declining due to bad management from the CEO on
down.

I wonder who'll be next in this list of CEO musical chairs:

Marissa Mayer (2012 - present)
Ross Levinsohn Interim (2012)
Scott Thompson (2012)
Tim Morse Interim (2011 - 2012)
Carol Bartz (2009 - 2011)
Jerry Yang (2007 - 2009)
Terry Semel (2001 - 2007)
Timothy Koogle (1995 - 2001)

Thad

sms
2014-04-15 14:44:30 UTC
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Post by Thad Floryan
The following URL is from an article that just appeared in
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/business/media/yahoo-rolls-the-dice-on-tv.html?_r=0
"
" Yahoo, a company that seems like a permanent adolescent in search
" of an identity, is about to try a new persona: high-quality
" television programmer.
"
" According to The Wall Street Journal, the company's chief
" executive, Marissa Mayer, is "looking for series that are ready
" to launch and don’t require a lot of development."
"
" Well, aren't we all?
"
" At a time when the culture is addicted to high-end television
" narratives, Yahoo wants in on the action, partly because while
" its site may have (flat) traffic -- 700 million global visits a
" month -- and (declining) revenue, it has zero cachet and no
" discernible way forward.
"
" [...]
Article continues at the above URL.
Yahoo should just toss in the towel and go belly-up.
They're still profitable, just less than in the past. But they seem to
have decided that destroying their working products, and not fixing
their broken products, is acceptable.

Yahoo will likely be bought out by someone. But Microsoft is probably no
longer interested since the Yahoo brand is so tarnished now. Maybe
Dropbox should buy them.

Not that Google is perfect either. Google has been destroying some of
their products as well, such as Google Groups and Google Voice. But at
least Google is smart enough not to destroy Gmail.
Thad Floryan
2014-04-15 23:56:16 UTC
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Yahoo should just toss in the towel and go belly-up.
They're still profitable, just less than in the past. But they seem to
have decided that destroying their working products, and not fixing
their broken products, is acceptable.
Yahoo will likely be bought out by someone. But Microsoft is probably no
longer interested since the Yahoo brand is so tarnished now. Maybe
Dropbox should buy them.
Not that Google is perfect either. Google has been destroying some of
their products as well, such as Google Groups and Google Voice. But at
least Google is smart enough not to destroy Gmail.
Hi Steven,

Evidence suggests Google has destroyed Gmail. Look in other newsgroups
(esp. some of the linux ones) and note the message format for anything
posted or replied from a person using Gmail: there are multiple blank
lines between all lines (which were originally single-spaced vertically
before Gmail mangled them) and note how many people are in kill files
simply because they're posting using Gmail.

Looking at the headers of your postings, you're posting from "geemail.com"
which I thought was a spam-diverter but, in fact, it is registered to
Google per a whois. And your postings aren't mangled like those from the
Gmail service.

Just purely out of curiosity, would you please clarify "Geemail.com"?

:-)

Thad
Eric Weaver
2014-04-15 19:46:43 UTC
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Post by Thad Floryan
Yahoo should just toss in the towel and go belly-up.
Wow, Thad, don't sugar coat it - tell us how you REALLY feel.

Did a purple bus run over your dog?
Thad Floryan
2014-04-16 00:28:01 UTC
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Post by Thad Floryan
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Yahoo should just toss in the towel and go belly-up.
Wow, Thad, don't sugar coat it - tell us how you REALLY feel.
Did a purple bus run over your dog?
Hi Eric,

No, it's just that over 14 years' efforts setting up and/or
running multiple Yahoo Groups has been destroyed due to the
NEO interface hosing all the Yahoo Group message archives,
and the person who wrote what's at the following URLs is the
one (along with his incompetent team) responsible for the NEO
disaster and destruction of Yahoo groups:

http://yahoogroups.tumblr.com/post/75580353805/your-group-homepage-photo-is-back
http://www.linkedin.com/in/aravindsampath

In case the hosing isn't clear, here are two actual and real
examples showing why Yahoo Groups is no longer suitable for any
technical forums (astronomy, computers, linux, machining,
photography, etc) due to how code and script examples, tables,
etc. are mangled to the point of unreadability/unusability
and why I'm hoping Yahoo dies ASAP. Note all Yahoo Groups
were hosed by NEO beginning mid-August 2013 and continuing
still to today.

If I post the following table to a Yahoo group showing magnitudes
when discussing a ZFS filesystem:

Byte (8 bits): 1 byte
Kilobyte: 1,000 bytes
Megabyte: 1,000,000 bytes
Gigabyte: 1,000,000,000 bytes
Terabyte: 1,000,000,000,000 bytes
Petabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Exabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Zettabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Yottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Xenottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Shilentnobyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Domegemegrottebyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes

NEO returns and now displays the following in a PROPORTIONAL font from
the message archives:

Byte (8 bits): 1 byte
Kilobyte: 1,000 bytes
Megabyte: 1,000,000 bytes
Gigabyte: 1,000,000,000 bytes
Terabyte: 1,000,000,000,000 bytes
Petabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Exabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Zettabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Yottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Xenottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Shilentnobyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Domegemegrottebyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes

If I post the following code snippet to a Yahoo group:

[...]
* Usage: ./report [ -c ] [ -n systemname ] [ { -v | -h | -H | -? } ]
*
* Where: -c enables color highlighting in PS and PDF output files
* -n systemname (default is nodename)
* -v displays program version number
* -h,-H,-? displays program usage and options
*
* Exit codes: 0 = good, program execution succeeded
* 1 = program usage displayed
* 2 = file opening error
* 3 = system() error with PS to PDF conversion
* 4 = database limit reached
*
* V1.0, Thad Floryan, 11-June-2008, original program
[...]
/*
* Open input data file and process its contents
*/
sprintf(filename, "%s", _DATFILE);
if ((filptr = fopen(filename, "r")) == NULL) ERR_FILOPN(0);
for (;;) { /* loop until end of file reached */
linadr = fgets(inpline, _INP_LEN, filptr);
if (linadr == NULL) break; /* terminate loop if EOF */
++line_count; /* increment tally of lines read */
PARSE_LINE(); /* Parse line adding data to report[] */
if (numupd >= _MAX_UPD) {
fprintf(stderr,
"?ERROR(%s): Database limit reached, %d records from \"%s\"\n",
progname, _MAX_UPD, _DATFILE);
fclose(filptr);
exit(4);
}
}
fclose(filptr); /* close input file */
[...]

NEO returns and now displays the following in a PROPORTIONAL font from
the message archives:

[...]
* Usage: ./report [ -c ] [ -n systemname ] [ { -v | -h | -H | -? } ]
*
* Where: -c enables color highlighting in PS and PDF output files
* -n systemname (default is nodename)
* -v displays program version number
* -h,-H,-? displays program usage and options
*
* Exit codes: 0 = good, program execution succeeded
* 1 = program usage displayed
* 2 = file opening error
* 3 = system() error with PS to PDF conversion
* 4 = database limit reached
*
* V1.0, Thad Floryan, 11-June-2008, original program
[...]
/*
* Open input data file and process its contents
*/
sprintf(filename, "%s", _DATFILE);
if ((filptr = fopen(filename, "r")) == NULL) ERR_FILOPN(0);
for (;;) { /* loop until end of file reached */
linadr = fgets(inpline, _INP_LEN, filptr);
if (linadr == NULL) break; /* terminate loop if EOF */
++line_count; /* increment tally of lines read */
PARSE_LINE(); /* Parse line adding data to report[] */
if (numupd >= _MAX_UPD) {
fprintf(stderr,
"?ERROR(%s): Database limit reached, %d records from \"%s\"\n",
progname, _MAX_UPD, _DATFILE);
fclose(filptr);
exit(4);
}
}
fclose(filptr); /* close input file */
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