Post by Bhairitu
Neo works better for mobile devices and that's probably why they did it.
However there is the weirdness that for some of us if we log in we get
the old interface not Neo. Log out, I get Neo again. Though a lot of
people would like the old interface back there is another set who get
the old interface who would prefer Neo.
I'm losing track of where I posted what, but there are two "interesting"
1. for about a 24-hour period in October 2013, a bunch of us were using
the old interface via this URL which "somehow" leaked from Yahoo and
was posted in one of my astronomy groups due to all my NEO griping:
but then Yahoo shut that site, "stage", the next day perhaps due to so
many people using it to avoid the NEO infection.
What this showed is that the message archives are still (at least in
October 2013) intact and undamaged and it's the buggy HTML5 NEO code
that 100% mangles everything retrieved from the message archives and
renders the message archives useless for any technical group. I am
one of the 3 owners of the Yahoo linux group and our message archives
go back to January 1998 and are now, with NEO, useless because all code
and script examples, tables, etc. are unreadable for the reasons I
2. in yet another astronomy group, one person claimed he hasn't been NEO'd.
A respondent replied (with no cites given) that Yahoo had ceased NEO'ing
people due to the cries and howls mostly from owners/moderators about the
deficient management interface and that Yahoo had been infecting people
with NEO in alphabetical order by last name which is why one of the group
moderators, whose last name was "Taylor", hadn't been NEO'd.
In regards to (2), I finally logged-in to Yahoo again earlier this week but
Yahoo would *NOT* provide my Profile or "Account Info" pages so I could see
if there was a way to opt-out of Neo.
Earlier in this thread one person mentioned 'Riss (Marissa Mayer) probably
doesn't even know what "Yahoo Groups" is and another wrote that Yahoo Groups
is apparently not a significant revenue producer for Yahoo thus Yahoo
destroyed Yahoo Groups much like Google destroyed Google Groups' Usenet
Seems both Google and Yahoo have no concept of "Good Will" -- offer something
really good for free to attract folks to the money-producing segments of their
operations -- which isn't rocket science.
What Yahoo has done to Groups has driven a lot of people away from anything
Yahoo forever, and that's a sign of very poor management and planning and a
lack of long term goals. My guess? Mayer doesn't care since she receives
millions whether she fails or succeeds with Yahoo.
And a big "Thank You!" to Jeff Liebermann who posted something very interesting
earlier today in this thread:
" Looks like Yahoo is bleeding about -$600 million/year. They seem to
" have lost most of it (-$1.7 billion) from "financing activities". I
" have no idea what that means, but my guess(tm) is that they're playing
" the stock market or investing in other companies.
" See the graph at the top of the page. Click "cash flow" and "annual
" data". Note the trend line for "investing".
" If my reading between the lines is correct, and they do nothing
" different, Yahoo hits zero in 2 years.
Click on "Cash Flow" in [Income Statement | Balance Sheet | Cash Flow] near
the top left to see what Jeff was looking at -- just about everything there
is in "red ink".
And that's the "belly up" we're all hoping and waiting for though I wish it
would occur sooner.